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I just saw a news piece about some people trying to get a cross in the desert removed. Its a WWI memorial. Why do people think they can go around saying historical monuments have religious symbolism and need to be removed. I'm sorry but just because you're atheist and going to hell don't get pissed about every little thing reminding you that you're going to hell.

Actually, preaching the removal of religious monuments could be concidered preaching atheism. The act of removing the monument is the same as having it stand there.

This country was founded by Christians, on christian beliefs with a good moral compass. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, why are the ten commandments such a bad thing? Why shouldn't people try to follow these ideas?
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Because they are Godless morons and dont have the sense God gave a retarded goat. I bet if i was shooting at them theyd be praying to God that i miss and they would never be moralless fucks again. My oldest told me shes mad at God because of my health and here aunt Sissy/my baby sister who passed away. I told her that Sissy and myself did it to ourselves and that God gave me free choice and reason, its my fault if i do stupid shit, not his? Kid and alot of adults are plain fuckn stupid when it comes to this. I blame my ex for not allowing me to take her to church or taking her herself. Later, enough of my ranting!!
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Well sadly this is another case of Liberal and Non-Christians changing our Constitution in their favor.

To be correct NOWHERE does the Constitution state Separation of Church and State!

The actual statement is: The First Amendment :

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is to bind the GOVERNMENT from intervening in the peoples right to practice religion how they see fit. It also NOWHERE binds the public from mixing the two as they see fit.

The Government has been eroding our rights for many decades.... WE the People need to RESTORE our constitution.
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They actually finally lost that battle and the plywood hopefully will come down. It has been an insult to the many who have bravely fought to defend us.
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Praise the Lord. If the liberal and NON-CHRISTIANS hate it hear so much, why dont they do what the founding fathers did, ohhhh thats right, they dont want to fight them selves, they would rather run shit from behind a fuckn desk. Fuckn cowards. Grow some nuts and believe in God. Johnny sang, sooner or later Gods going to cut you down!!!!! Im square when i meet my maker....can ya'll say the same. Something to think about.
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Where is Tripledouche650 to step in and hate all over this thread?

Funny, he never gets pissed about any other religious attitudes...
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Someone told me that they read in the paper, that obummer passed a new law, that says churches cant preach against gays, the Gubemnt.

The Ir s has been to 18 churches around the country "Warning" them not to say things against Obarfo, or they will loose the tax free status.??

One of those was a church in Warroad MN? the minister told the ir s to get screwed, his church will survive, without the tax free status.

I wonder what ever happen Probably find a body floating in the bwca??
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I haven't been around the tv/news much.

But I was thinking, isnt it funny that bo said we should start drilling in the gulf, now we have a mysteries explosion, and the guberment sat for 9 days looking at each other. I was wondering if it was on purpose??

Then I came across this. Interesting

WAR? NORTH KOREA MAY HAVE TORPEDOED THE OIL RIG
IN THE GULF OF MEXICO! A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today
written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States
has ordered a complete media blackout overNorth Korea’s torpedoing of
the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned bythe World’s largest
offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by
South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great
loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean
economy, and an environmentalcatastrophe to the United States

.http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm
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^^ Interesting.... Sure adds a different view. Time will tell.. Media blackouts don't survive....
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The Illinois monkey had better grab his sack and get ready to man up, its time to be then Big Dog again. I dont like war, but we have to protect and put notice out we wont tollerate piss ant countries violating us the way past presidents have let them. Serve notice and hand out ass whippn with extreme predudice!!!
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Not saying the article is true, and after looking at the site, they seem to have some strange things.

I miss read it as the russian paper was reporting this

I havent heard a reason for the explosion, I figured it was us/greentards that did it.
Gas prices go to $5 a gallon, no more drilling in the gulf.
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I agree... that is why I say just interesting..... Other foriegn news agencies also have reported the theory....
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The Illinois monkey had better grab his sack and get ready to man up, its time to be then Big Dog again. I dont like war, but we have to protect and put notice out we wont tollerate piss ant countries violating us the way past presidents have let them. Serve notice and hand out ass whippn with extreme predudice!!!

If it came to that, he would sell us to the UN and let them "fix' it all for us
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Here is a good article on the subject and why research and voting matters:

Updated April 30, 2010
JANINE TURNER: Your Vote Is Your Voice

By Janine Turner


As a Republic, ruling through our elected officials, our vote is our voice.

America is getting ready to witness the United States Constitution at work. Currently, many believe the Constitution is an antiquated document. Yet, built upon the bedrock of well thought out principles and practices, the Constitution withstands time and endures the swings of passions. The stipulations of the Constitution designate the process of nominating and confirming a new Supreme Court Justice and the time has come for yet another such selection.

We, the people of our Republic, have a say in this upcoming judicial process, even though as we watch, read and listen, we may feel completely lacking in control. Built into the Constitution’s checks and balances, which are awesome in structure, “We the People” have the ultimate voice, the ultimate check.

We pick the Supreme Court Justices through the president and senators that we elect. Thus, as we watch the process unfold we will be reminded about why the vetting of candidates, and the choices we make at the polls, are two pivotal actions Americans must take seriously. We need to research our candidates’ intentions thoroughly. Unsolved mysteries do not serve the process well. Men (and women) are not angels. It is the Constitution that keeps us honest.

As we watch the nomination process proceed, we may be able to hone our Constitutional skills. One major issue that will be discussed is a topic that does not ever diminish in importance – religion. A recent Rasmussen survey reveals, “Only 21% of Americans think that rulings by judges in recent years regarding religion in public life have correctly interpreted the U.S. Constitution.” The survey also states that, “64% of adults believe that judges’ rulings have been more anti-religious than the Founding Fathers intended.”

As the midterm elections draw near, the best way to evaluate our candidates, our only real power in the Republican process, is to truly study and understand our U.S. Constitution. Take for example the phrase “separation of church and state.” This phrase is repeated with such regularity it has become an American mantra. Yet, with a discerning eye upon the words of the Constitution, it is revealed that this is not stated anywhere in the Constitution. Consider Article VI Clause 3 of the Constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public trust under the United States.

This clause states that one has the freedom to be whatever religion he or she chooses and is not bound by a certain religious principle to serve. It does not imply that religion may not be expressed in government. This is further evidenced in Article VII, where it states:

...done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eight seven…

By example, the words, “the Year of our Lord,” reveal our Founding Fathers’ intentions. They were brilliant men who premeditated every word of our Constitution. If an all or nothing “separation of church and state” were to be their intention, then our forefathers would not have left the words, “our Lord,” in the Constitution.

Furthermore, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof…

Much is made of the first part of this phrase, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” This was a provision dealing with our founding fathers’ deep desire to avoid the religious domination of their former homelands – the impetus of the majority of early colonial immigration. Thus, an “establishment” of religion by a “law” of the land was prohibited.
However, it does not state that the people may not enjoy the “free exercise thereof” of their religion in any capacity - governmental or social. The six words of this amendment “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...” are ignored and dismissed but they must come to the forefront of American's mainstream thinking if the Constitution is to be honestly represented. To deny an American the right to freely exercise his/her religion anywhere is as unconstitutional as it is to make one adhere to a particular religion.

The same Rasmussen poll states that, “by a 60% to 31% spread, voters believe Supreme Court justices should be guided by what’s written in the Constitution rather than on notions of fairness and justice.” This opinion is supported by Article III Section II of the U.S. Constitution,
“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution…”

It doesn’t state that the judicial power shall extend to all cases in Law and Equity as deemed “fair and just.”

Thus, as we watch the process of the confirmation of the new Supreme Court Justice, we will be reminded why it is so important that we, and our children, understand and comprehend the meaning of our United States Constitution. To quote Thomas Jefferson, “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

As a Republic, ruling through our elected officials, our vote is our voice. As we question our political candidates, perhaps it would be prudent to ask them how well they know the Constitution. What is their interpretation of the Constitution on hotbed issues? Do they intend to preserve, protect and defend, and abide by, the Constitution? If we, as citizens, intend to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, then so should our representatives. The future of our country depends upon it.

Actress Janine Turner is founder and co-chairwoman of “Constituting America.” For more, visit
www.constitutingamerica.org.
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^^^very good...

I just seen a few weeks ago, a judge they want to put on the bench in the 9th dist?
He basically said the constitution is no longer needed in todays world

Of course when being vested, he hid all his speeches, publishings about not needing it.
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Yep, that seems to be the current push... they want to wipe their ass with the Constitution and shred it because if they can, then they can freely enslave and impoverish us all. The Constitution is not irrelevant or repealable it is the LAW and they know it and thus the reason they constantly chip away and try to change it or get rid of it all together.
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I say they are the treasonus ones. They need to be tied to a post in the town square and stoned. There is a section in the Constitution that describes that is to be done to judges that violate their oath and the constitution. They are lucky we the people dont take what it says litterally and do unto them what should be done.
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